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Matthew J35U5 #1 Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:08 AM

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Tier 4 is an interesting place on the tech trees that marks the end of the nearly universal "Bad tanks", with tier 5 bringing tanks like the M4 Sherman, the StuG III, and the AT 2. But which of the tanks stand out at tier 4 as being better than their competition? Since there are 5 classes of vehicles, I will give you the 5 4 best tanks of tier 4:

The best "Light" Tank:

The Pz. III. What's that you say? The Pz. III is a medium tank not a light tank? Exactly why its so great! Not being a light tank, the Pz. III doesn't get scout matchmaking like the Pz. 38 N.a (t) or the M5 Stuart do. Moreover, the Pz. III is just as fast as any light tank, being able to reach almost 60 kph on a flat surface. It also has great frontal armour that is almost comparable to the tier 5 Panzer IV at 70 mm thick. You have two strong guns to choose between, a short-barreled howitzer like 7.5 cm, and a long 5 cm. The 7.5 has better alpha damage, but the 5 cm offers semi-reliable damage, and has better dpm than the 7.5 cm does. The Pz. III is quite strong at countering enemy scouts, just as fast as them, but with more reliable armour, and weighing about 50% more than they do lets you ram them to death with little repercussion. 

The best "Heavy" tank:

No tier 4 heavy tanks you say? I present to you the Matilda. The Matilda is very slow for a medium tank, but it has very strong armour, and a very strong gun. While the 2-pounder's damage may be low, it can fire almost once every 2 seconds (with the best crew of course), giving you reliable dpm. Furthermore, the 2-pounder's penetration wouldn't be found lacking on a tier 5 tank, let alone a tier 4. 

The best tank destroyer:

Actually being a tank destroyer this time, the Hetzer is my choice for the best tier 4 tank destroyer. While its view range is somewhat lacking compared to the T40, both have a nearly identical 105 mm howitzer, and both a very similar 75 mm gun (with the T40's having a small advantage), the Hetzer has 2 key advantages over the T40. First, the Hetzer has much better camouflage than the T40 does, the Hetzer is a much more sneaky machine. Secondly, in the event that you are spotted, the Hetzer's armour is much stronger than the T40's armour. While the T40 is an open-topped square box of a tank, the Hetzer has extremely well sloped armour, making its nominal armour thickness of 60 mm frontal armour much more like 80-90 mm of frontal armour compared to the T40's 51 mm of frontal armour

The best Medium tank second-best tank destroyer:

The M3 Lee. You all will look at this and laugh and laugh and laugh. How can the M3 Lee be good? I will explain to you what makes the M3 Lee good. 2200 damage-per-minute. What is the damage-per-minute of most other tier 4 tanks? The tank destroyers have the best guns for the tier, and the Hetzer and T40's damage-per-minutes are about 1700 and 1900 respectively. Now what does the M3 Lee's huge dpm advantage actually mean?  Say you have an M4 Sherman come upon an M3 Lee. (The Sherman will be using the 76 mm M1A1, not the howitzer). Both of you fire at the same time. The Sherman has 350 hp, the Lee 295 hp. In 3 seconds, the Lee has reloaded and fired. The Sherman now has 240 hp. 1.2 seconds after that, the Sherman fires again bringing the Lee to 180 hp. 1.8 seconds later, the Lee completes another reload cycle and fires again at the Sherman brining it down to 130 hp. The Sherman still has to wait for another 2.4 seconds to fire at the Lee again bringing it down to 15 hp. However, the Lee is ready to fire 0.6 seconds later, and is able to fire another round at the Sherman 3 seconds after that, killing the Sherman. As you can see, a dpm advantage of almost 600 hp/min over the M4 Sherman (using the 76 mm M1A1) allows the M3 Lee to outfight a tank a tier higher than it. Since the Lee is very vulnerable close up, the necessary use of this tank is from a distance as a tank destroyer. You are a very fragile machine, but your huge dpm will let you melt enemy tanks from a distance.

 


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Victorious Nox #2 Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:17 AM

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I disagree with your opinion of Pz III as "light" its definitely got aspects of Lights but its more medium, the classification "Light Medium" i suppose could work:

 

Light: Luchs - As much as i love the M5, the Luchs is by far the best T4 Light

 

Medium: Matilda - Bouncy Armour with a high dpm gun makes it firm contender

 

Tank Destroyer: M8A1 - Just wait and see....


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BrownTrout79 #3 Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:22 AM

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Matilda!

STEEVY26 #4 Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:24 AM

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Matilda with the second package,I never used the last package at all.
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Matthew J35U5 #5 Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:26 AM

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View PostVictorious Nox, on 08 January 2014 - 08:17 PM, said:

I disagree with your opinion of Pz III as "light" its definitely got aspects of Lights but its more medium, the classification "Light Medium" i suppose could work:

 

Light: Luchs - As much as i love the M5, the Luchs is by far the best T4 Light

 

Medium: Matilda - Bouncy Armour with a high dpm gun makes it firm contender

 

Tank Destroyer: M8A1 - Just wait and see....

Eh... I guess I could see that about the Pz. III. It would actually let me have 5 tanks for tier 4 instead of only 4 tanks if I included an actual light tank. But I think that the Pz. III is ultimately better for a tier 4 scout because it doesn't get scout matchmaking like the Luchs does. Not fighting tier 8 tanks>fighting tier 8 tanks.



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Alecto with the derp too. That TD is an excellent scout even in high tier matches, and can do some serious damage. I feel sorry for those who didn't give it a chance and rushed to the AV-2.

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I'd read it, but I figured I'd just list my personal preference instead because I can. :blinky:

Pz.38 (t) n.A., M3 Lee, Hetzer, Luchs

All are OP.


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Forgot about the Hetzer.... Hetzer is gonna Hetz....

Matthew J35U5 #9 Posted 09 January 2014 - 01:43 AM

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View PostRadica1Cat, on 08 January 2014 - 08:35 PM, said:

I'd read it, but I figured I'd just list my personal preference instead because I can. :blinky:

Pz.38 (t) n.A., M3 Lee, Hetzer, Luchs

All are OP.

As long as you have the Hetzer and the Lee on there I'm happy. 



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View PostMatthew J35U5, on 08 January 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

As long as you have the Hetzer and the Lee on there I'm happy. 

Two of the best low tier tanks available. 


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silvernblack89 #11 Posted 09 January 2014 - 05:30 AM

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my picks for best tier IV tank is Hetzer and Matilda both are very fun tanks to drive

 



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View PostRadica1Cat, on 08 January 2014 - 07:35 PM, said:

I'd read it, but I figured I'd just list my personal preference instead because I can. :blinky:

Pz.38 (t) n.A., M3 Lee, Hetzer, Luchs

All are OP.


That list looks good to me. Don't know about the OP part though. The Luchs can definitely be OP at times though! :trollface:



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View PostMatthew J35U5, on 08 January 2014 - 08:08 PM, said:

Tier 4 is an interesting place on the tech trees that marks the end of the nearly universal "Bad tanks", with tier 5 bringing tanks like the M4 Sherman, the StuG III, and the AT 2. But which of the tanks stand out at tier 4 as being better than their competition? Since there are 5 classes of vehicles, I will give you the 5 4 best tanks of tier 4:

 

Well i guess you didn't want to list artillery but you really should so my list has it lol.

 

Light : Luchs  (great scout in any tier game deadly in tiers 4-5 with 3cm)

 

Med: M3Lee (that dpm don't quit) 

 

Td: Hetzer ( Hetzer gonna hetz great with both 7.5 and 10.5 cm guns)

 

Artillery : M37 (best range of all low tier arty with great rate of fire)

 

Heavy: Matilda (both with 2cm and Howitzer; Howitzer allows it to be a back line support in higher tier games with its high arch and great chance to track targets for Tds from a safe position.)

 



Hiero Glyph #14 Posted 09 January 2014 - 07:55 AM

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I'm actually a fan of the Alecto as an alternate scout.  The speed, view range and camo rating make it effective as a passive scout and it can always transition into a TD whenever it wants.  Now if only we could get tank companies with tier restrictions.

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View Postsilvernblack89, on 09 January 2014 - 05:30 AM, said:

my picks for best tier IV tank is Hetzer and Matilda both are very fun tanks to drive

 

Envious that you werent around for the upgrade bug,that thing at the time couldve drag raced a Doom turtle and lost


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View PostKuchiki28 CIC, on 09 January 2014 - 04:34 AM, said:

Envious that you werent around for the upgrade bug,that thing at the time couldve drag raced a Doom turtle and lost

 

Still loved the Hetzer even with the engine bug just needed a push lol

 



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View PostSovietdeath, on 09 January 2014 - 04:39 AM, said:

 

Still loved the Hetzer even with the engine bug just needed a push lol

 

Ugh I couldn't stand how slow it was! At the time, when you got the Hetzer up a dune on Sand River (it was ALWAYS Sand River lol)  the battle usually was already over!

I think it was because of how the Hetzer was, I was overjoyed when I got the StuG.... until I was confronted with the final upgrade glitch. :mellow:

 



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View PostKuchiki28 CIC, on 09 January 2014 - 01:34 AM, said:

Envious that you werent around for the upgrade bug,that thing at the time couldve drag raced a Doom turtle and lost


yeah I luckily didn't have any problems with my hetz.






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